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Bills Good and Bad

A parental notification bill supported by FIC Action and other pro-lifers has been introduced by Rep. John Thompson, a Manchester Democrat. You can read the bill here. It would “require that notice be given to a parent or legal guardian prior to the performance of an abortion on an unemancipated minor.”

Watch your in-boxes for information on what you can do to advance FIC-supported bills like parental notification and Rep. T.R. Rowe’s bill requiring abortion clinics to report suspected rapes–and to stop the bill to force Catholic hospitals to provide abortifacients.

16 Responses to “Bills Good and Bad”

  1. on 25 Jan 2007 at 5:28 pmJAron

    Yeah it is incredible that a 13 year old cannot get a Coke in school but can get an abortion without parental consent.. What’s wrong with THAT picture??

  2. on 25 Jan 2007 at 8:33 pmTrueBlueCT

    JAron–

    I understand you believe a parent should be in charge when it comes to the decision of whether a high-school kid should become a mother? What if the parents are divorced? Should the daughter need one or two signatures?

    Also, who is going to commit to pay for the baby’s upbringing? (When the mother is a teenager?) Can we count on dead-beat granddads to ante up?

    What burns me up is that you guys want to insist that unplanned pregnancies come to term, even when the young mother is in no position to support a family. Then you whine about the cost of welfare.

    P.S. If you had a 16yr old son who impregnated a 15yr old girl, would you be good for the child support? I mean honestly, who is supposed to pay for the unplanned/unwanted kids?

    P.S.S. I believe in adoption and have full respect for anyone who goes that route. But many women won’t agree to giving away a baby, once they carry a pregnancy to term.

  3. on 26 Jan 2007 at 7:20 pmAnnie Banno

    TrueBlueCT, I’ve left a reply to you and chele at this earlier post:
    http://www.ctfamily.org/blog/2007/01/18/tr-rowes-pro-life-pro-woman-bill

    I’d appreciate hearing your response and his/hers.

    On the topic of this post and your comment, I honestly am torn between getting sick at the level of unawareness among Connecticut people, and getting angrier at our media and politicians who stick their heads in the sand and make some of you as misinformed as you really are. Yet you spout off still.

    You hold fast to the myth that “many women won’t agree to giving away a baby, once they carry a pregnancy to term.” Give us a citation with some statistics to prove that, please. Secondly, women have been carefully taught by Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers to fear the extraordinarily rare instance of an adopted child being abused by their adoptive parents. IT DOESN’T HAPPEN IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF CASES, yet you cling to it.

    For thirty years, Planned Parenthood purposely has raised the specter of adoptive child abuse in its policies of asking women (it’s here, http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-control-pregnancy/pregnancy/pregnant-now-what.htm on their website)* whether or not they believe this about adoption: “I’ll know my child will be treated well.” Many pregnant moms (and even fathers) have personally told me that they’re afraid their baby might be abused after adoption or even by themselves, so it is better the baby die than to live with abuse! They learned this from PP.

    PP and others don’t tell women the facts from child-abuse centers: that in families where children WERE abused, between 91 and 96% of those children were WANTED, not unwanted. if you want the sources for that, I’ll give them to you, just ask. This is going to be a long series of replies already.
    (continued)

  4. on 26 Jan 2007 at 7:21 pmAnnie Banno

    Besides, the abortion providers make money off abortions, and not a penny from adoption referrals.

    It’s why Planned Parenthood’s adoption referrals decreased (for the seventh straight year) by 9.6%, to a mere 0.67% of all pregnancies seen. They make between $400 and $1,200 per abortion. (also see their annual report, mentioned below)

    To answer your question, Who is going to commit to the “unwanted kids'” upbringing?…

    Firstly, they’re not “unwanted.”

    I suppose you really can’t be faulted for not knowing that 2+ million American couples want to adopt children each year. You don’t get The Dallas Morning News, which reported this on January 28, 2003, in “Is Adoption Still the Forgotten Option?” by Terry Eastland. And of course, The Connecticut Post, my dearly-beloved-to-hate, local liberal paper never reported it:

    “While the number of people waiting to adopt an infant of any description is unknown, [President of the National Council for Adoption Thomas] Atwood thinks there may be as many as 2 million couples who would be willing to take a newborn into their home–if one were available…Note also that most abortions prevent the birth of what would have been ‘normal’ babies. To the extent pregnant women considering abortion were to choose adoption instead, the number of abortions would decline.”
    (continued)

  5. on 26 Jan 2007 at 7:24 pmAnnie Banno

    It seems the links in my original text aren’t showing up here, but I will try to change that…

    http://www.law.capital.edu/Adoption/news_cases/paststories.htm The Dallas Morning News

    http://www.ncfa-usa.org/ National Council for Adoption

  6. on 26 Jan 2007 at 7:25 pmAnnie Banno

    Nor are you aware that the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) publication http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad306.pdf “Advance Data: Adoption, Adoption Seeking, and Relinquishment for Adoption in the United States (May 11, 1999)” [also linked to by The National Council for Adoption http://www.adoptioncouncil.org/facts_Domestic.htm here ] stated that: “5.6 million of women who ever considered adoption are still seeking or planning to adopt or would consider adoption in the future, even if they may not be currently seeking or planning to adopt.”

    There was a letter-writer to the Connecticut Post in Dec. 05 who spouted off much the same as you have here, TrueBlueCT. He also contended that “the anti-abortion people…say that abortion is illegal and sinful and do nothing regarding the product of anti-abortion” and as such were not “persons of compassion [but] instead zealots caught in their own fundamentalist belief system.”

    (FYI: No pro-lifer I know has ever been deluded into thinking abortion is “illegal.”)
    (continued)

    You said basically the same thing: that it’s better to kill the baby first rather than throw it to the wolves of an inadequate support system.

    It floors me that you think that better than having society take advantage of solutions that exist right under our noses but which most major media and many politicians won’t acknowledge.
    (continued)

  7. on 26 Jan 2007 at 7:50 pmAnnie Banno

    Nor are you aware that the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) publication http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad306.pdf “Advance Data: Adoption, Adoption Seeking, and Relinquishment for Adoption in the United States (May 11, 1999)” [also linked to by The National Council for Adoption http://www.adoptioncouncil.org/facts_Domestic.htm here ] stated that: “5.6 million of women who ever considered adoption are still seeking or planning to adopt or would consider adoption in the future, even if they may not be currently seeking or planning to adopt.”

    You basically say that it’s better to kill the baby first rather than throw it to the wolves of an inadequate support system.

    It floors me that you think that better than having society take advantage of solutions that exist right under our noses but which most major media and many politicians won’t acknowledge.

    Don’t you know we pro-life folks have for years run 4,800 life-affirming, confidential organizations
    (38 in http://www.hopelineprc.org/ Connecticut, 3,400 in the US and 1,400 internationally),
    http://anniebanno.blogspot.com/2005/02/nationwide-pregnancy-resources-free.html
    http://www.nurturingnetwork.org/needhelp.htm
    http://www.nationallifecenter.com/hotline.htm
    http://www.thehelpline.org/
    http://birthright.org/htmpages/locate.htm
    http://optionline.org/
    http://heartbeatinternational.org/option_line.htm
    http://www.bethany.org/
    giving free, nonjudgmental services
    for all facing unplanned pregnancies (pre and post!) including: free pregnancy tests, medical referrals and help obtaining prenatal and family-member medical care http://www.dss.state.ct.us/svcs/medical/ lowcost/free ,
    http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/2004/07/my-sidewalk-friend-carmen-with-one-of.html clothing, food, places to live
    (both http://www.lifecall.org/shelters_cpc.html immediate
    and http://www.goodcounselhomes.org/ longterm ),
    postdelivery medical care, job/parenting/home skills, helping fathers obtain jobs, answering questions about abortion, pregnancy tests, STDs and yes, adoption assistance.
    (continued)

  8. on 27 Jan 2007 at 9:29 amAnnie Banno

    So sorry for the multiple, partly repeated postings. They didn’t appear right away, so I thought they’d just not “taken” since they were too long or too many of them…

    Final comments: Prolife folks in those 4,800 CPCs worldwide do this ALL on charitable donations from other “anti-abortion people,” UNLIKE Planned Parenthood which, in 2004 alone, received $265 million from taxpayer dollars (i.e., the government) plus $191 million from private donations, totaling 56% of its $810 million income (source: Planned Parenthood’s own Annual Reports found at: http://www.plannedparenthoodrx.com/annualreport/report-04.pdf ). Profits over the past 18 years totaled $538 million, or $30 million a year.

    If pro-abortion and pro-choice people took on even SOME of the children who are “unwanted” and existing at a poverty level, instead of donating $191 million PER YEAR to have them killed, then those children not only wouldn’t be in poverty but would be with loving families among those 2—5 million couples.

    Add our $265.2 million taxpayer dollars annually to help all out of poverty instead of helping Planned Parenthood abort babies ( http://anniebanno.blogspot.com/2005/02/from-planned-parenthoods-20032004.html ).

    PP alone spends most of that $456 million, to help those “unplanned/unwanted kids” be killed instead of being supported and raised. Proof? Between 63.3% and 71% of their clinic revenue is from abortions (it’s easy to figure that out from their Annual Report).

    I wrote a reply letter to the Connecticut Post editor just over a year ago on this too, of course. They didn’t print it. But I’ll ask you all what I asked that writer, “WHEN WILL YOU WHO SUPPORT ABORTION HOLD THE ABORTION INDUSTRY’S FEET TO THE SAME FIRE? The idustry says they’re all about “Compassionate health care for…women, men and teens.” (found originally on their webpage http://plannedparenthood.com/pp2/portal/files/portal/aboutus/this-is-planned-parenthood.xml , which they’ve changed to pages like this: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/mbpp/Our-Health-Services.htm … which now NARROW the phrase to only “compassionate sexual and reproductive healthcare”)

    Notice how PLANNED PARENTHOOD coined that phrase that every one now uses “Compassionate health care” (google the phrase of PP’s website, you’ll see, it’s like a broken record and now everyone–including you –parrots the euphemism)

    Although this PP brochure, http://www.plannedparenthood.org/swoh/files/Southwest%20Ohio%20Region/PPSWO_ann_report_05.pdf … says they provide “compassionate care, extended family,accurate medical information, and affordableservices to all.”

    ALL? Really? NOT. Notice also they DON’T include “the babies” in that compassionate care? Babies can’t pay them $400 to $1200 per abortion.

    And for the record, I HAVE a 17yr old son and if he impregnated a 15yr old girl, first of all it would be statutory rape and he’d have to pay for the consequences of that legally, but yes, I WOULD “be good” for the child support and I’ve told him so, because I’ll do ANYTHING rather than have any involvement again in another abortion.

    Will you do the same?

  9. on 28 Jan 2007 at 2:58 pmAnnie Banno

    TrueBlueCT, no response? Even when I answered your direct question to JAron/and/or us in general?

    (Moderators, if you can, deleting comment # 7, 8 and 9 of mine will help eliminate excessive repeat readings of my accidentally multiple posts.)

  10. on 12 Feb 2007 at 9:28 pmchele

    Here we go, Annie, since you keep harping.

    I’m female. I have two children in their 20s — a son and a daughter.

    I can assure you that neither I, nor my daughter, have had an abortion. My son has not fathered a child that has been aborted. I was raised to be responsible regarding reproduction, and I raised my children to be responsible as well.

    You, on the other hand, DID have an abortion. Since you referred to the aborted child as a daughter, apparently it was a late term abortion.

    So get off the judgemental horse and stop casting stones.

    I’m very sorry that you seem to have such a very difficult time living with your decision; 29 years of guilt, misery and obsession can’t have been very rewarding life.

    Fact is, when you felt you “needed” an abortion, you had one. I’m assuming it wasn’t done in a back alley with a coathanger, but rather performed by a doctor in a sterile environment.

    But because you are dealing with your guilt and misery, you have taken it upon yourself to try and condemn thousands of women to back alleys, infections and death.

    Happy about that?

    At some point you have to realize that even if you achieved your goal of making abortion illegal, even if you achieved your goal of making contraceptives illegal, even if you achieved your goal of turning women into breeding chattel, you’re still going to wake up every day knowing you aborted your daughter. On top of that, you would have condemned thousands of women to possible death.

    And since you’ve piled on many posts about adoption here… how many children have YOU adopted?

  11. on 13 Feb 2007 at 6:25 amModernFemme

    Chele, do you think that because women will continue to have abortions, that all abortions from conception to pre-delivery should be legal? Perhaps because people will always drive drunk, we should give courses on how to drive drunk more safely (there are techniques)? Maybe because children like to play with fire, we should give them lighters that are easier to hold and manipulate? Hmmmm, now why doesn’t society do things like that? It’s because it will encourage more of that behavior. And when it comes to abortion, we must also er on the side of discouraging that behavior. Not just because it KILLS A PERSON, but because of the terrible effects it has had on women, as Annie has described.

  12. on 13 Feb 2007 at 10:12 amAnnie Banno

    Chele, you harp and then accuse me of harping. Interesting.

    I have had grandmothers come up to me after I’ve given a talk about post abortive grief, crying on my shoulder because they had an abortion long ago, and their other children, sometimes even their spouse, never knew it. They’d been carrying this grievous secret, this burden, alone, and the weight of lifting it off their shoulders by being able to admit their grief to me, to another like her, was such a relief.

    Your son and your daughter are old enough to have fathered or become pregnant with a child, respectively. How do you really know with 100% certainly if either of them hasn’t already done so and been involved with or had an abortion? The answer most likely is, you really don’t know if they’ve kept that a secret from you. I kept it secret from both my parents for over 2 decades and would still have kept it secret from them had my mother still been alive.

    No, my abortion was first trimester, not late. You don’t seem to know that a two- month-old fetus has everything that is found in a fully-developed adult, including sexual physicality. What do you think happens when they suction the fetus out? They count all the body parts to see if they’re all “out.”

    I point out truths and objective facts and sources and you say I’m on a “judgemental horse” and that I ought to “stop casting stones.” Yet you judge me and cast multiple stones at me, condemning me! Isn’t that always the way? People do that, sometimes: accuse others of what they’re guilty of doing themselves and you are doing it in this entire comment. Please point out anything I said above that is judgmental or casting stones. I honestly would like to know what it is you think is judgmental or condemning of what I said. I pointed out the facts that some people here are completely unaware of. If you believe that is “judging” someone, then you have created a convenient way to attempt to shut people up who disagree with you. I pointed out the facts in a way that did not say or imply you or anyone was “ignorant” or “stupid” but merely “unaware” and duped by the media. Surely it hurts to learn that one has been in the dark, but do you really think it is better to stay in the dark just so your feelings don’t get hurt?

    “I’m very sorry that you seem to have such a very difficult time living with your decision; 29 years of guilt, misery and obsession can’t have been very rewarding life.”

    I’ll try to take that as genuine, heartfelt sympathy and not condescension. I must add that many have said this to me and to many of us in a sneering, better-than-thou way, though. My 29 years of guilt were stuffed down and denied, but for many it has resulted in alcoholism, drug dependency and suicidal tendencies and even actual suicide. So please be careful for your tone of pity can do more harm to women lurking in this combox than you can ever imagine.

    I have not “taken it upon yourself to try and condemn thousands of women to back alleys, infections and death. Happy about that?” Who’s casting stones now, chele, with that choice of words? Your derision and disdain is wholly misguided and misplaced, and you would learn this if you spent any time reading the blog I was invited to contribute to. To get the sense of how we do NOT condemn thousands of women to any horror, you would do well to read the “who we are” on our blog. http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/2004/05/who-we-are-and-some-guidelines-to.html

    You also seem to have fallen prey to the myth that there were thousands of women dying from illegal abortion prior to Roe v. Wade. There weren’t. Even the former cofounder of NARAL admitted that it was all lies when they claimed that 5,000 to 10,000 women a year were dying from illegal abortions. “Dr. Christopher Tietze, a leading pro-abortion statistician for Planned Parenthood, The Centers for Disease Control, etc., called this claim of 5,000-10,000 deaths a year prior to legalization ‘unmitigated nonsense.’” That was published in Scientific American. The Associated Press, in 2005, was called to task for this very same mistaken belief, as were Sen. Barbara Boxer of California and syndicated columnist Ellen Goodman of the Boston Globe.

    Our blog was responsible for –AGAIN—bringing that truth out into the light. You are in good company with your stridency about your concern for women. Here are the links:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/07/19/state/n125811D07.DTL (AP story in San Francisco Chronicle, which quotes me by the way on this very issue)

    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/05/13/just_the_schmacks_maam
    http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/2004/05/ellen-goodman-has-recanted.html

    You spout some of the same strident, histrionic verbiage that the abortion industry has helped fuel into the media and thus into your mouths (“even if you achieved your goal of turning women into breeding chattel”), putting words into my mouth as though I’m just like some of the wacko pro-lifers you may actually have encountered. I am not. But if you dared to take the time to learn that, to really understand what I’ve said in these various posts it would threaten the very foundation on which you base your life. It would topple your “us against them” dichotomy. You have to have someone to hate and it might as well be me, since the abortion industry has taught you that it is me.

    All I can say is, keep your head in the sand if you want. Yes, keep on saying hurtful, hateful antagonistic things like “you’re still going to wake up every day knowing you aborted your daughter” and keep on thinking that women like me need to be driven into the ground so that abortion and contraception can be saved. You don’t wish to know the real truth, that abortion and contraception are killing more women now, slowly and quickly, than illegal abortion did in the years prior to Roe. You won’t spend the time to educate yourself that this is true: you won’t read all the published scientific studies published here, http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/2004/11/shredding-myths-about-abortions_02.html or here, http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/2004/05/you-might-recall-my-recent-comment.html
    or here, http://anniebanno.blogspot.com/2005/06/earlier-koop-post-got-me-thinking.html .

    Those are articles with non-pro-life sources for all the truth the media won’t tell you. One of them outs the lies that Planned Parenthood puts on their website to continue duping women everywhere, especially you.

    Surgeon General Koop Abortion Report Truth
    APA’s DSM: abortion = cause of PTSD
    Shredding Planned Parenthood’s Myths

    I am not condemning thousands of women to possible death. You have been duped to thinking that’s what happened and that’s what will happen again. It won’t.

    You, however, by remaining the abortion rights ideologue you have become, are helping to condemn hundreds of thousands of women to possible death and to mental, emotional trauma.

    I myself am adopted, chele. Isn’t that the ironic kick? You’d think that knowing that would have stopped me from aborting my daughter. It didn’t. I, better than you, understand the fear, the abandonment, the desperation of women caught in crisis pregnancies thinking they have nowhere to turn.

    A former prochoice NPR Radio commentator, Frederica Mathewes-Green, said it best: “Do women want abortion? Not like she wants a Porsche… Like an animal caught in a trap, trying to gnaw off its own leg, a woman who seeks abortion is trying to escape a desperate situation by an act of violence and self-loss. Abortion is not a sign that women are free, but a sign that they are desperate.”

    You have lost your ability to have compassion for all women no matter what their circumstance. You think abortion makes women free. You are so very wrong about that. And for all you know, your children had/were involved in abortions and now regret them terribly and have tremendous guilt and grief over them and yet, they can’t come to you about that, can they? You’ll never know if they ever did and if they ever grieve, because you hate and condemn women who regret their abortions and dare to speak up about it. THAT is the crying shame.

    I would adopt children if I could. I’ve been a single mom, since my son was 2 years of age, with no alimony and precious little child support, trying to raise him right and not lose my house. What’s your “excuse?” Better still, how many mothers and children have YOU helped avoid abortion? You can’t call yourself a compassionate woman who cares about women when you only care about women who don’t regret their abortions. It’s just that simple.

  13. on 13 Feb 2007 at 10:23 amAnnie Banno

    Chele, while we’re conversing, please allow me to repoint you to posts that you haven’t revisited since I answered you and asked you some additional questions:

    http://www.ctfamily.org/blog/2007/01/18/tr-rowes-pro-life-pro-woman-bill

    http://www.ctfamily.org/blog/2007/01/19/states-pro-abortion-lobbyists-renew-attack-on-religious-freedom/

    And SIDENOTE TO truebluect: regarding http://www.ctfamily.org/blog/2007/01/26/courants-2007-priorities-redefine-marriage-attack-religious-liberty/#comments , I guess your silence means you AREN’T checking all those links and sources nor are you wanting to realize how you have been duped, nor are you changing your heart and your ways to do something about it. Heads in the sand, heads in the sand…

  14. on 13 Feb 2007 at 12:01 pmAnnie Banno

    chele, just for the record, my abortion was performed at Summit Women’s Center in Bridgeport (the old location down by the bus depot). I was among the fortunate in that I didn’t end up being taken out of there in an ambulance stretcher as one woman did in recent years, because they’d perforated her intestines and bladder and she had to be rushed to the hospital for surgery in which she lost 5 feet of intestine and has never regained full bladder control so suffers from incontinence problems. My friends have the pictures of her in the ambulance stretcher to prove it; they were there that day. It was also in the papers at the time, I forget the year but it was sometime in the last decade if memory serves.

    I also wasn’t the girl who was raped in that clinic by a man who didn’t work there but pretended to and told her the sex was a form of abortion (she was pregnant already and wanted an abortion, this was his “solution” for her). That was in the newspapers too. That happened within the past 2 or 3 years.

    I was also more fortunate than the women nationwide whose deaths, injuries, rapes and diseases resulting from legal abortions and abortion providers are listed in the published book LIME 5. You can get your own copy on Amazon.com like I did.

    The book documents over 700 publicly-available instances from legal abortion: of maternal death, injury, disease-contraction, rape by abortionists, abortions done on non-pregnant women, failed abortion (baby survives but is left to die since no laws required babies to be saved), and more, in 22 years of legalized abortion.

    There are 25 pages of footnoted source references in small print, 381 of them in Chaps. 1 and 4 from which the book quotes publicly-available death certificates, coroners’ and medical examiners’ reports, and major papers’ articles like Chicago Sun-Times, NYT, Chicago Tribune, Houston Chronicle, Miami Herald, and documents from courts like the NY, Maryland, San Diego and various US District Courts of Appeals. The book was compiled (note: not authored per se as the facts are from actual cases, not made up) by Mark Crutcher.

    Its title is the code name given to a woman who suffered medical complications from a botched legal abortion.

    Read just Chap. 1 and 4. But be prepared to throw up. The Case Histories are graphic: between Injuries To The Uterus, To the Cervix, To The Intestines and Retained Fetal Tissue alone, on only 21 pages, the book details 24 maternal deaths as late as 1994. There’s a lot more: Chapter 1’s case histories alone go on for 40 more pages.

    Don’t you think women deserve better than this? Don’t you think that 17 young women shouldn’t have died from using the Patch, which they did in the past 5 years? Don’t you think that 5 North American women from 2001 through 2004 shouldn’t have died from using the abortion pill (RU-486), which Holly Patterson did because Planned Parenthood gave her (and others) erroneous instructions on how to take the drug cocktail, instructions that were never and still aren’t approved by the FDA?? When will you be honest and hold so-called “compassionate healthcare provider” Planned Parenthood’s feet to the fire, the same way you’re trying to hold mine for “wishing death” upon women because I oppose abortion now? I oppose it now on so many levels, not the least of which is the vast harm–emotional, mental and physical–it inflicts on far too many of us women.

    If you really, truly cared about all women, you would learn all you could about all of abortion’s and artificial contraception’s harms, you would fight to protect women from those harms and you would stop attacking people like me and accusing us of having as our goal the “turning women into breeding chattel.” Good grief, don’t you hear the vicious, demeaning nastiness in applying that phrase alone, to anyone??

  15. on 13 Feb 2007 at 12:56 pmchele

    Annie, would you like to research the statistics on medical malpractice which occurs in every hospital and medical care facility in the United States? Would you like to research the statistics on crimes committed by hospital employees against patients at medical care facilities across the country?

    Do you advocate that we close EVERY medical facility at which malpractice occurs? Do you advocate that we take the medical licenses of EVERY doctor who commits malpractice? Do you advocate that we shut down ANY and EVERY medical facility in which an employee commits a crime against a patient?

  16. on 13 Feb 2007 at 3:41 pmAnnie Banno

    Please, chele, answer my various questions, and then I will gladly answer yours. Your continued avoidance of the questions I pose is odd.

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